generic units

[Badnorth]

16th-17th they had half plate armor, shorter, lighter lances and horses with no barding

18th and 19th nothing except their uniforms and the lance

So what should I change?
I made the 16th ones remove saber & shorter lance?

[Gral.Sturnn]

Ill leave you some images

16thc demilancer
https://www.pinterest.cl/pin/64387469658591056/

And
17thc
https://lonelygamers.blogspot.com/2019/ ... i.html?m=1

[Badnorth]

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[Squirrel5555]

Thanks guys

Spearmen fit now, nice

So the heavy lancer will be an upgrade for the 15th lancer someone posted before? Or will we just have demi lancers?

love the doggos

[Badnorth]

Thanks guys

Spearmen fit now, nice

So the heavy lancer will be an upgrade for the 15th lancer someone posted before? Or will we just have demi lancers?

love the doggos

Doggos

[Squirrel5555]

Another thing I never understood, lancers being the counter to heavy cavalry in AOS and other AO games.
In reality, the lance was a ineffective weapon in close quarters combat, and only excelled on the charge. So it was mainly used to charge and break infantry formations.

So really, if we go for a 'rock paper scissors style' like other AO games this is how it should work for cavalry:

1)warhammer knight(or any other cav with heavy, blunt weapon) has largest bonuses against heavy infantry and heavy cavalry, smaller bonuses vs medium infantry and medium cavalry

2)any cavalry armed with a lancer/demi-lance have large bonus vs all infantry (i think pike/spear units should have a reach tech like in AOS, so that they hit the cavalry before cavalry hits them no matter what)

3)pikes/spears have large bonus vs all cavalry, and tech that gives them first strike

4)developed firearms should have decent bonus against cavalry unless it is cavalry that is locked behind cuirass tech, then it should have much smaller bonus if at all

Just my thoughts, now let's discuss and see if we agree

[Gral.Sturnn]

wil

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Now they look better! Nice work

Ill adjust some proportions and they wil be ready

[Badnorth]

Is this gonna be added?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 6luD3RQPK2
They look cool.

[Gral.Sturnn]

Is this gonna be added?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 6luD3RQPK2
They look cool.
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They look cool, maybe in the future whe we have more units ready

[Gral.Sturnn]

Another thing I never understood, lancers being the counter to heavy cavalry in AOS and other AO games.
In reality, the lance was a ineffective weapon in close quarters combat, and only excelled on the charge. So it was mainly used to charge and break infantry formations.

So really, if we go for a 'rock paper scissors style' like other AO games this is how it should work for cavalry:

1)warhammer knight(or any other cav with heavy, blunt weapon) has largest bonuses against heavy infantry and heavy cavalry, smaller bonuses vs medium infantry and medium cavalry

2)any cavalry armed with a lancer/demi-lance have large bonus vs all infantry (i think pike/spear units should have a reach tech like in AOS, so that they hit the cavalry before cavalry hits them no matter what)

3)pikes/spears have large bonus vs all cavalry, and tech that gives them first strike

4)developed firearms should have decent bonus against cavalry unless it is cavalry that is locked behind cuirass tech, then it should have much smaller bonus if at all

Just my thoughts, now let's discuss and see if we agree

Lances more often fought other cavalry, keep in mind that lances only worked once or twice before breaking, something we cant recreate in the game, also demi lancers should be the cheaper option from the regular lancer.

1)agree
2)they should have a bonus for cav as well, a way to simulate a charge is to have a very low counter attack damage.
3)agree, vs infantry as well, lower than cav obviously.
4)agree

[L4cus]

Another thing I never understood, lancers being the counter to heavy cavalry in AOS and other AO games.
In reality, the lance was a ineffective weapon in close quarters combat, and only excelled on the charge. So it was mainly used to charge and break infantry formations.

So really, if we go for a 'rock paper scissors style' like other AO games this is how it should work for cavalry:

1)warhammer knight(or any other cav with heavy, blunt weapon) has largest bonuses against heavy infantry and heavy cavalry, smaller bonuses vs medium infantry and medium cavalry

2)any cavalry armed with a lancer/demi-lance have large bonus vs all infantry (i think pike/spear units should have a reach tech like in AOS, so that they hit the cavalry before cavalry hits them no matter what)

3)pikes/spears have large bonus vs all cavalry, and tech that gives them first strike

4)developed firearms should have decent bonus against cavalry unless it is cavalry that is locked behind cuirass tech, then it should have much smaller bonus if at all

Just my thoughts, now let's discuss and see if we agree

1) What i did is making warhammer knight an anti heavy unit incluiding cav
2) cav bonus against infantry doesnt affect polearm wielder infantry right now (look at the stats i posted)
3) yeah i was thinking on "ancient tactics" or "pike trainning" as the tech...also, ig should give them an aurs similar to legionaries after "legion trainning"
4)no bonus for firearms(their shot attack is a spell) they will have high attack, but thats limited by their ability coldown. That way, crossbowmen will be more viable than firearm units at the very early game

[Badnorth]

How can I get pilot of ver. Of AoD I wanna see whats happening there.
Seems like max is on to Modding.

[L4cus]

There is not pilot version, we are using aog pilot version as a base to modding their values...

[Badnorth]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... vRnkWrdROc
This could be intresting mercenaries Wdyt ?

[L4cus]

Too modern...

[Badnorth]

Too modern...

They were in the 19th century whats wrong with that?
Then Lets make them limited by adding a Mercenary building called saloon. Can only train Western gunfighters their main unit is Posse. Wtdy?

[L4cus]

There were more mercenaries than them...
They are middle 19th century 40 ears after napoleonic wars...
I would like to add monitor as a ship, also steamships and ironclads...but they dont fit the game...
Units like swiss mercenaries, landsquenets, genoan crossbowmen, highlanders, etc fit the game

[Badnorth]

Sure

How about this mercenary?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 2_FuuD6g4L
They will definitely fit in I could make this.

[Squirrel5555]

We deally dont want to go further than napoleonic wars, stick to things around and preferably before 1810.

The garde imperiale are a cool idea for elite 19th century french units, but i will need go read more about them

[Badnorth]

We deally dont want to go further than napoleonic wars, stick to things around and preferably before 1810.

The garde imperiale are a cool idea for elite 19th century french units, but i will need go read more about them

So if I were to make them

Their stats are more like a very Buffed fusilier?
And they have the ability to shoot,Stab & throw hand grenades ...

[Squirrel5555]

So the imperial guard was very diverse and is a very broad term.

Some elite units from the guard we can have:

Chasseurs à Cheval(light cavalry)
horse grenadiers(heavy cavalry with distinct dress)
Old Guard(heavy infantry, like you said stronger version of line infantry) the old guard was also split up into a lot of different units , but we shouldnt split it up too much i think

You can suggest some more if you want, but lets not add too many

[L4cus]

Sure

How about this mercenary?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 2_FuuD6g4L
They will definitely fit in I could make this.

This is ok.

[L4cus]

We deally dont want to go further than napoleonic wars, stick to things around and preferably before 1810.

The garde imperiale are a cool idea for elite 19th century french units, but i will need go read more about them

I preffer sticking at 1805-1810. With units that would appear at the very start of napoleonic wars

[Badnorth]

Sure

[Squirrel5555]

Ok English Warhammer Knight

[Badnorth]

Idk what is accurate broadsword or zweihander
Its said they used broadswords but In the image it was zweihander.
I did the both since Im confused.

Broadsword

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Zweihander

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[L4cus]

I think they are different eras but fit at the game

[Badnorth]

Okay Redshank mercenaries are done. Quite difficult.
Bowmen

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Musketeer

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Its said that highlanders later fought with chainmail so archer,Broadswordsmen & Zweihander has it.

[Gral.Sturnn]

Colors are a bit too dark for being scottish

17th century

https://www.google.com/search?q=redshan ... 18eBjmrKuM

https://www.google.com/search?q=redshan ... 5TxTMBfJAM

https://www.google.com/search?q=redshan ... uKbqLrVwcM


16th century

https://www.google.com/search?q=redshan ... VXNL-DLl6M

https://www.google.com/search?q=redshan ... ohl6DsjCeM

https://www.google.com/search?q=redshan ... SRTzCm6nEM

[Gral.Sturnn]

Also they didnt have zweihnaders they had claymores

17thc

https://www.google.com/search?q=17thc+s ... dpKJ-E-cXM

https://www.google.com/search?q=17thc+s ... cCb_xpLdSM