strategos-hellenic general IMPLEMENTED as Taxiarchos

[L4cus]

hellenic army leader:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategos
models for the unit:

and alexander the great too as fun:

[L4cus]

maybe this units could have the next new ability:
"accompanied"
range 2
attack +2
armour +1/+0
CR +50%
affected: companion cavary and (if added) foot companion

[b2198]

Seeing how underused companion cavalry are, and having done some tests on their potential for a coordinated attack in the late game, I fully support them getting some new units that could add different stat increases for them.

[L4cus]

well considering that they would have high morale, that amount of attack buff could be nerfed, so instead of +2 attack and +1/+0 armour they could have +1 attack and +1/+0 armour + high morale, that way attack buff is not stocked

[L4cus]

maybe some stats could be:

cost 6
hp 36
attack 14
range 1
armour 2/1
speed 5
same bonuses as centurion

ailities:
promote loyalty
dismiss propaganda
high morale aura
accompanied aura

[DreJaDe]

Seeing how underused companion cavalry are, and having done some tests on their potential for a coordinated attack in the late game, I fully support them getting some new units that could add different stat increases for them.

Which is why I wanted them to only cost 4 turns. But I and others also know that that is impossible.

[Endru1241]

Seeing how underused companion cavalry are, and having done some tests on their potential for a coordinated attack in the late game, I fully support them getting some new units that could add different stat increases for them.

Which is why I wanted them to only cost 4 turns. But I and others also know that that is impossible.

4 turn cost would make them beasts in early game.
Back then one-shotting spearmen and with another companion also swordsmen.
Right now they are superior if only limited investment in cavalry was decided by player.
E.g. spending 20 turns of production we have 4 companions, which can boost each other, while only 2 cavaliers
Spending 40 turns we have 8 companions vs 7 cavaliers, which is clearly worse.
Not sure what is exact turn count to make them around equal, but you should see the idea behind.

As for aura bonus, that could designate companions as elite guards - why not go with strictly defensive boost?
+2/1 armors and some mental resistance?

[L4cus]

isnt there a way to make a max stack of the effect like a maximum of +3...so companions are not broken
btw i was sugestion removing the aura of companions and make the hellenic leader to boost them with a particular area that wouldnt affect other hellenic units...so just like roman units depend of centurion to get their highest power, companions would need their leader to get their highest strenght...just as a sugestion also companions make company for leader but in game they get boosted even without a leader what seems funny...

[L4cus]

and well, i was about to suggest agema companion as an upgrade but now i see that they are almost broken so lets not...

[Endru1241]

isnt there a way to make a max stack of the effect like a maximum of +3...so companions are not broken
btw i was sugestion removing the aura of companions and make the hellenic leader to boost them with a particular area that wouldnt affect other hellenic units...so just like roman units depend of centurion to get their highest power, companions would need their leader to get their highest strenght...just as a sugestion also companions make company for leader but in game they get boosted even without a leader what seems funny...

There no way to have max.
Either non-stacking at all or limited by tiles.

And about no leader - who said there are no leaders among companion unit?
Besides - in game description suggest the boost is coming from great coordination with other similar units, not from having the king around.

[L4cus]

got a point there!...

[b2198]

4 turn cost would make them beasts in early game.
Back then one-shotting spearmen and with another companion also swordsmen.
Right now they are superior if only limited investment in cavalry was decided by player.
E.g. spending 20 turns of production we have 4 companions, which can boost each other, while only 2 cavaliers
Spending 40 turns we have 8 companions vs 7 cavaliers, which is clearly worse.
Not sure what is exact turn count to make them around equal, but you should see the idea behind.

As for aura bonus, that could designate companions as elite guards - why not go with strictly defensive boost?
+2/1 armors and some mental resistance?

Maybe let their cavalry give +1 damage and +mental resistance, their foot (if added) give +1/+1 armor and +mental resistance, and their leader give both (so +1 damage, +1/+1 armor and a bigger +mental resistance)?

[DreJaDe]

I don't get the numbers much though I do get balance behind it (somewhat)

Companion can't be built in tc, unlike knights. This makes it impossible to have 4 companions in 20 turns. Let's say that stables are already available and maybe around 2 TC per player, then I would still be able to create more knights than companions isn't it (even plus the upgrades).

[L4cus]

true...but balance of companions deserve its own topic

[Endru1241]

I don't get the numbers much though I do get balance behind it (somewhat)

Companion can't be built in tc, unlike knights. This makes it impossible to have 4 companions in 20 turns. Let's say that stables are already available and maybe around 2 TC per player, then I would still be able to create more knights than companions isn't it (even plus the upgrades).

I didn't count initial conditions, because in quick summary I remebered they were the same (existing stables).
But yeah - you'd probably train knight in the tc during the time stables are busy with upgrade, while it's not possible for companions.
Balance is shifted from my example, so real turn number of equal balance is somewhere lower than 20 turns.

[Endru1241]

Decided, that strategos would be too high up, so went with taxiarchos (commander of batalion).
It's heavy melee and has high morale + unique aura giving 2 boosts:
- general boost of +1 power, +1/1 armors to hellenic fighters
- give 1 range aura to all hellenic big shield bearers, which effect is cumulative and gives +1/0 armors to all hellenic fighters.

[b2198]

Decided, that strategos would be too high up, so went with taxiarchos (commander of batalion).
It's heavy melee and has high morale + unique aura giving 2 boosts:
- general boost of +1 power, +1/1 armors to hellenic fighters
- give 1 range aura to all hellenic big shield bearers, which effect is cumulative and gives +1/0 armors to all hellenic fighters.

Nice. Kinda similar to romans, but trading the need for researching legion training for a weaker version of its effect, so a bit more oriented towards the early game, which makes sense imo.

[DreJaDe]

Kinda wondering how it would look like