Teutonic, Templar, and Missionary Balancing

[SirPat]

Ive noticed some odd stuff about these units so let us start

1.) Missionary and Missionary priest doesnt recieve Divide right aura from the Teuton Komtur unlike the healer and priest that recieves this aura

2.) The Mounted Teutonic knight is underpowered
mounted teutonic knight has
42hp
13power
3/2 armor
which is weaker than the Cavalier
The Cavalier however have
45hp
14power
3/2 armor

The reason why Im saying this is because the monted Teutonic knight is more expensive (6 turns) and has a shield compared to the cavalier that cost 4 turns and have no shield they basically have the same armor visually and Historically I believe. So I was thinking of new stats for the Mounted teutonic knight
45hp
14power
3/4 armor (because the shield)
This makes him more tanky than before and kinda acts like the shield knight

3.) The Teutonic knight is underpowered (foot)
The reason why I said this because The Teutonic order is more of a Military Order than the Knights Templar so I suggest a Stat change and cost change cause yhe stats and the cost makes the teutonic order a weaker force compared to the templars. I checked the Knights and foot knights stats and upgrades They follow a certain health pattern it goes like this.

Knight. Foot knight
32hp. -10hp. = 22hp
2/2. +2/1. = 4/3
Heavy knight. Heavy Foot knight
39hp. -12hp. = 27hp
2/2. +3/1. = 5/3
Cavalier. Elite Foot knight
45hp. -14hp. = 31hp
3/2. +3/2. = 6/4

So I suggest this stats for the teutonic knight (foot)
Instead of the chart (up) lets use a diff pattern for the 5turns foot units like templar and teuton

Heres new teuton stats

5turns
35 hp
14power
6/4 armor
Makes him stronger but more expensive plus he can convert
Instead of -14hp he gets -10 hp

4.) Conversion is too weak

How about give them 30% convertion because the siggt of an awesome strong order too recruit you must be better than a healer asking you to join him

5.) Foot templar hp are too high
They have the same health as there mounted version
Lets also give them -8hp but upgrade gets -10
Templar
24hp
4/3 armor
10 power
Knight Templar
29hp
5/3
12 power
But remember these guys have healing and a bit more health

6.)Teuton komtur needs higher p.armor
Give him 4/3 armor

7.)This doesnt fit in the balancing but Reskin the Teutonic knight (foot)
I'll make a post at the graphics about it pls send me the img
And Ill try to make new skins for units ill talk about it at the skin section

[Endru1241]

1. Fixed.
2. Cavalier requires 12 turns of research. Teutons have conversion. Visuals should never be mentioned along with balancing stats.
3. With knight -> foot knight comparison it's not -hp. It's multiplier. Also - 3turn teuton is just "teuton" in the code. Maybe it's name should be changed correspondingly. These 5 turn stats are for another unit. +66% cost is too much to be a rebalance. They are also too OP.
4. Maybe give them 100% ? The sight of a knight can also be terrifying.
5. I don't know why 5/3 armor for an upgrade - according to formula it would be 6/5 or 6/6 (but with 26-27 hp).
6. Komtur needs low p.armor. Just like any other boosting unit.
7. Look at 3.

P.S> You surely like teutons.

[SirPat]

hmmm so what you mean is that the unit in game is; If Templar is to crusader then Teutonic Knight is too Teutonic Brother
New Idea How about make the Teuton in to 4 types and make it like the crusaders
It will be Called Teutonic Brothers
But that will be Impractical thats just the same guy (almost I guess)

All I could say is Thanks That missionary problems fixed They werent actually categorized as Religious thats why it wasnt working and I support the name change for the Teuton

[makazuwr32]

Should i remind that templars receive blacksmith techs as well?
So if we will agree with endru's stats when fully upgraded he will have 8/7 or even 8/8 armor. Isn't is too much?

[Endru1241]

I never said it would be balanced or that I plan to change it like that.
If You think templar is unbalanced and have serious proposition about changing it - feel free to post it.

[godOfKings]

Even with high hp, current templars die too easily wen exposed to ballistae horde

[Squirrel5555]

Everything dies too easily when exposed to ballista horde lol

[godOfKings]

@Squirrel5555 then support this idea so that at least in the beginning ballista horde wont b too op

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