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Was just trying to plug the Dam with a finger, I realize this unit is not a game changer but once started the drip will turn into a stream with no turning back. Your kidding yourselves if you don't think this unit will never be updated. I'm not intentionally trying to step on any ones toes being a new guy and all its just my opinion )

Daniel was clear about it, it's never going to let in advanced firearms, i think you shouldn't worry about that

Oh that's cool, thanks Alexander I feel better now )

How would a unit with a gun be a weak unit compared to spears and swords...

cause old guns were inaccurate and slow

RiverRaider 1097 wrote:Was just trying to plug the Dam with a finger, I realize this unit is not a game changer but once started the drip will turn into a stream with no turning back. Your kidding yourselves if you don't think this unit will never be updated. I'm not intentionally trying to step on any ones toes being a new guy and all its just my opinion )

I see, like Alex said, though. Thanks for being a watchman.

Do you think they should have a 100% conversion resistance (they are a kind of national unit)

Daniel can you add that in the campaign editor too?

ok.
please write in a single post the latest stats and the unit image.
thanks!

Stats

cost 1
hp 12
Attack power 5
Range 6
Armor 1
Pierce Armor 1
Speed 2
Sight 7
Action/turn 1
Spell Resistance 0%
Size 1x1
Builders: Tc, Archery range, Castle
Chance to miss: 20% against ranged, siege and big units, 35% against infantry, 50% against Cavalry

Can you move it to the ranged section?

moved

thank you

I think at only builder for this unit should be castle

i checked tru and i have suggestions:
- we should not make 1 turn cost units, that could flood the game, i suggest being cost 2 turns. also i suggest increasing damage.
- i think we dont need a tech if on trained in castle, no one will invent the tech if it is costy - or is it cheap? how many turns? - would the tech unlock some other unit too?


my suggestion:
- having high damage like: 12.
- cost 2 turns.
- trained only in castle
- big inaccuracy that depends on the target movement (as other inaccuracies do): eg: 15%penalty on every movements the target has (so on knight has 75% penalty)
- inconvertible
- tech: i think we dont need it, this is a special unit trained in limited buildings, not the standard "gunpowder" units we will have in standard building and so on.
- image: maybe the hat needs some more shading - isnt it?

it is in with these approaches, please give me feedback.
thanks for the nice unit idea!

up on server in 10 minutes.

daniel

Why don't you make it deal normal damage instead of piercing damage? It's like something that's going to go through armors more easily and it's more difficult to parry.

i could try - should i? others? any comments on this change?

Yes. It should do normal damage

It should

ok, up on server in 15 minutes

my net is lagging. so it will take time to upload...

ok... i can not upload it... i will try tomorrow morning...

ok it is there in 5 minutes.

By testing the unit that's what i'm thinking about it

Having no improvements i think that range should be at least 6 (after all it's a long gun)
Another thing is happenned to see is that it can be converted (i don't know if it's made on purpose)
Fail chance it's a bit too high on some units and you have almost no chance for others. I'd make it something like that: 10%+(5%*speed of the target). This way it can miss also against buildings but it has some more chance to hit cavalry. I know that slinger have difficult against cavalry but a bullet is faster than a rock, the chance to fail of a tanegashima should represent the fact that sometimes old guns failed to shoot the bullet. Alternatively we might calculate a fixed 30%.
Aside from that it's useful and, if you succed in building many castles you can really count on a good amount of extra soldiers instead of just siege weapons.

How is it they have guns ???? A confuse idea this dude unit does have guns but not having gun powder ?? Explain it please

they HAVE gunpowder...

Haha OK a gun unit with no tech needed

By playing more (against ai) i see that the tanegashima ashigaru is really awesome in big maps where you can build many castles (it's basically extra ranged infantry). It's not the strenght of a single unit but the strenght of numbers.
If you consider the single unit i believe it's pretty balanced (you need a big and pricey building to build it and compared to an archer you gain damage but loose range and accuracy)
In long games with big maps you might have a nice amount of these making them the spine of your army, in short games you might even never see one

Thanks for the input Alexander good job, I was against the gun toting dudes at first but the people has spoken one must go with the flow and I must admit I have yet to use one of the fuse burners but the reason being is I'm waiting on my castles to produce them lol