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Endru1241 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:28 pm It looks like a foot knight only in the first post. Later this unit proposition is more like roman pretorian, although it could be easily made into something more unique - e.g. by lowering speed to 2, essentially making it pricier shielder with additional properties and ability.
Vanguard just meant army put on the front - skirmishers were rarely despicted as army in european sources (in fact often all non-nobles were ignored, unless directly commanded by one of them).
So it could be defending army (not advancing), depending on tactics.
What's more - in some cultures first line was made from elites with best armor and less experienced warriors suppoerted them from 2nd or third.
So vanguard still makes sense.

SirPat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:07 am

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:24 am If the idea seems bad then yes, help me improve it!
That's the point of us discussing it: it needs tweaking before it can be added.

Here's where you got wrong. Before it can be added? Its more of a If it would be added. Youre Mega knight man is just another knight whatever tweaks you do with it its still just another knight.
You know what that means it's too generic to be added. What I want you to do is make this unit special too make him not some other knight.
Remember it doesnt mean you suggested it that means it'll be added. Change all of these units first give them appropriate names give them roles and dont make them to a generic knight but with more armor make him special to be added

As for general that should be talked about at another topic. And pls dont make a topic filled with 4+ unit suggestions. I myself wont help you to Tweak these units cause as of now I dont see any reason to add them. Thats all.

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:27 pm
First of all, there's 3 unit suggestions: Vanguard, Royal Guard (if indeed these two names are the ones we are taking) and General.

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:27 pm In addition, I described a ranged ability earlier, about throwing javelins / hand axes.

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:27 pm That makes it more unique: we have no Heavy Infantry with superior Regular and Pierce armour, and a ranged ability. If we do, then sure, that makes it a little generic.

Squirrel5555 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:57 pm

SirPat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:11 am Max foot knight have 8/6 armor and since proctor guy here is gonna make vanguard unit to a super tank it'll be a 10/8 +blacksmith upgrades +
2/2 so itll be a 12/10 its too high now even broadswordsmen couldnt deal more than 1 dmg even with broadswordsman 11+2dmg=13dmg -12armor itll still deal 1dmg even with max sword upgrades for broadswordsman

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:53 am I never said I wanted a unit with 10 armour. I think for "non boss" units it should be capped at 8/9 with blacksmith, or at 10 with no upgrades.
The General I proposed was originally going to be a third unit, but I have since been convinced otherwise.
For Vanguard armour should be like 6/6 or 6/4, or 7/4
For Royal Guard that should go up to 8/8, 8/6, or 9/6
General as a boss unit would have more powerful armour, 10/10 or thereabouts.

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:55 am Actually, I changed my mind, 10 and higher is reserved for boss units (in my eyes anyways). And the highest should be 8 or 9 with no blacksmith for regular units.

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:03 am And in response to the question on the General, which popped up in the middle of me typing this, yes, only one General, but if it dies it can be produced at a Castle. Or if that sounds like too much, one General per side only, no production (so map editor only)

ProtectorLordGarmin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:22 am General Stats... Oh boy. Here goes...
Power: 20 (that's not outrageous, Epic Trainee has that much/more than that)
Hp: 60 (again, Epic Trainee has this much)
Armour: 10/10
Speed: 2
Sight: 3
Ability: Throw Javelin, 4 or 3 range, 10 or 15 power, deals damage based on regular armour
Heal Bonus: 2.5?
Conversion resist: 1000 % (so lower resist effect can't make him convertible and/or make him unable to be selected when converting units)
Training: 10 turns, castle/ high castle only.
Auras: High morale, 4 range
Bonuses (this is the part people will lose their sh!t over)
50% vs Cavalry
10% vs Light infantry
25% vs Medium Infantry
50% vs Heavy Infantry
100% vs Archers
200% vs Elephant
If any of this sounds very very wrong, this is my first time making stats for a unit, please don't scream at me.

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:34 am Much stronger than inquisitor , idk how to balance units like that so I'll leave it to endru or sirpat.