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Heavy War Elephants Redesign IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:17 am
by Badnorth
Heavy War Elephants doesn't seem to have elephant armor. Maybe it could have it as design, i mean i don't think war elephants would go to battle bare-skinned right? They are very vulnerable to arrows and stuff with current image.

Currently im not capable of redesigning such huge beasts so could someone else try it?

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:57 am
by Hyuhjhih
Sure. If i could get the link to the image currently in, it would be help .

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 am
by Badnorth
War elephants. Try to add chain armor or leather around the elephants.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:18 am
by Hyuhjhih
Rusty chain mail. Hope it doesn't get a mess.

Working on more variations to pick among.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 am
by Badnorth
I think it looks a little dirty.
Maybe some references should help.

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Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:33 am
by Hyuhjhih
Leathery one. Btw, i cleared the displaced trunk end.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:45 am
by Badnorth
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Better!

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:51 am
by Hyuhjhih
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 am I think it looks a little dirty.
Maybe some references should help.
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Yeah i was approaching something like that. But I realized we can't paint the elephant itself to pink.

And now armour metal plated.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:36 am
by Badnorth
Okay. After a while of making armor this is what i made. What do you think @Hyuhjhih?

Honestly i didn't know i was capable of doing this. Lol. Sorry for the trouble.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am
by Hyuhjhih
Better than my junk images. 😆
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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I am purple by the way.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:39 am
by Badnorth
Well it took me prolly 30 or 40 minutes to make it. Don't worry.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:41 am
by Badnorth
Does mahout need armor btw? I guess not? To make it unique.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:45 am
by Badnorth
Hyuhjhih wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am Better than my junk images. 😆
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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I am purple by the way.
No, no, don't be upset. Don't compare yourself to an experience guy. I have been making this things since i got here. You can look at my past sprites in the forum and you will be super cringed. Look on the bright side, you made a good looking leather war elephant, may b we could use it as a skin or an upgrade in the future :)

There are even better people than me btw, for example, Endru, Alexander, Savra, Stormsaint, Patroid and other artists.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:48 am
by Hyuhjhih
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:45 am
Hyuhjhih wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am Better than my junk images. 😆
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


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I am purple by the way.
No, no, don't be upset. Don't compare yourself to an experience guy. I have been making this things since i got here. You can look at my past sprites in the forum and you will be super cringed. Look on the bright side, you made a good looking leather war elephant, may b we could use it as a skin or an upgrade in the future :)
I were in this graphics/coding field for 3 years, before i had to quit (due to family pressures) and take my foot to astrophysics.

Its good i resigned . :lol: else i would have been a legend in teaser memes.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:51 am
by Hyuhjhih
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:41 am Does mahout need armor btw? I guess not? To make it unique.
An armoured mahout wont be necessary i think, at least its not the elephant which is fighting. The kid on top good get a fix imo.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:53 am
by Badnorth
Hyuhjhih wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:51 am
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:41 am Does mahout need armor btw? I guess not? To make it unique.
An armoured mahout wont be necessary i think, at least its not the elephant which is fighting. The kid on top good get a fix imo.
Yeah, i think so too. No need for armoured mahout. Idk about the kid holding a mace though. We should probably leave it like that unless they get an upgrade or something.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:03 am
by Badnorth
What do you think @Endru1241? Is this acceptable?
I think the current Heavy War Elephants needs to be replaced. I also remember that this was also a request by Stratego years ago.

Btw, do you think the war elephants needs platforms and people holding stuff? We could try to add those to make it appear more realistic.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:58 am
by makazuwr32
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:45 am
Hyuhjhih wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:38 am Better than my junk images. 😆
Now i am gonna put mine tnto dust bin.
Or probably dig a hole upto nether to incinerate it all the way down. :lol:


Image
I am purple by the way.
No, no, don't be upset. Don't compare yourself to an experience guy. I have been making this things since i got here. You can look at my past sprites in the forum and you will be super cringed. Look on the bright side, you made a good looking leather war elephant, may b we could use it as a skin or an upgrade in the future :)

There are even better people than me btw, for example, Endru, Alexander, Savra, Stormsaint, Patroid and other artists.
When compared to my drawings your images are Picasso paintings.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm
by Badnorth
I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:17 pm
by Badnorth
But when mine is compared to Savra's drawings, im a toddler.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 pm
by makazuwr32
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
That avatar is made by GoK. Not by myself.

My best in theory drawing would be something like that:
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No kidding. I am bad at art drawing.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:31 pm
by Hyuhjhih
Well i hope my avatar still worth my 5 days for perfection. Honestly. And my previous avatar the vulture worth my 6 hrs.

And if bady can do such nice stuff in 40 min, i bet he can do my Lion in a few hrs.
makazuwr32 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 pm
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
That avatar is made by GoK. Not by myself.

My best in theory drawing would be something like that:
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No kidding. I am bad at art drawing.

And this, is still the best i have seen. C'mon guys. Seriously. It is the best example of art ever which reflects the person's sense of humbleness and light temper. 😁 but I wish this had been drawn by you.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:31 am
by Badnorth
Hyuhjhih wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:31 pm And if bady can do such nice stuff in 40 min, i bet he can do my Lion in a few hrs.
Nah mate, im super bad at animating. And the reason why im so quick with doing something like that is because there is a base image. When i start from a scratch i probably take 1 hour or so to do a good human.

Like this, i made Pillager from a scratch. But this was made pretty quickly thanks to a reference.
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And there are way better people than me. I currently admire Patroid's Shading and Savra's Drawings.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:36 am
by Badnorth
makazuwr32 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 pm
Badnorth wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:15 pm I have only seen your avatar. Which is nice. And i don't know whether that is a compliment or not. I am not really interested in painters.
That avatar is made by GoK. Not by myself.

My best in theory drawing would be something like that:
Image

No kidding. I am bad at art drawing.
Actually.. That's pretty good :)

Well, atleast you are a God at preserving Balance, without you, AoF must've fallen to chaos units. One of the reasons i quit AoF in my early days was because how broken the Orcs are. They destroy literally anything. Art work is superb though, most of it was Savra's and Alexander's.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:41 pm
by Endru1241
Replaced.
I think old image was not good or characteristic enough to put into alternatives or ancestors skin pack, but what do you think?

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:55 am
by Badnorth
Endru1241 wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:41 pm Replaced.
I think old image was not good or characteristic enough to put into alternatives or ancestors skin pack, but what do you think?
Nah, it doesn't have much added design. I doubt anyone would pick an unarmored heavy war elephant as a skin.

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:56 am
by Badnorth
What about my question though.

Is it good to have platforms at the elephants?

Re: Heavy War Elephants Redesign IMPLEMENTED

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:27 pm
by Endru1241
Castles are not necessary imho - as far as I know, that not all war elephants were used like that.
What comes to my mind for Elephants to be used in war, is 3 potential roles:
- fighting platform (mainly for shooting/throwing) - pretty much any extensive castle usage required stability, so I doubt those elephants would be prepared to charge and struggle, rather to stay as calm as possible
- heavy cavalry - that'd be complete opposite of platform, heavy cavalry main usage is breaking the lines, so those elephants would be trained to go wild
- non-batttle - e.g. transportation, draft animal

War elephants in-game would probably be representation of those trained to charge and that doesn't really give much stability as the platform.
They would probably only have a mahout, lying down on the neck and trying his best to control animal direction.

Although - I'm not any expert on elephants.