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(blueprint) P.88 heavy tank +IMG
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:12 pm
by BrenoHenrique
The Car d'assalto P.88 is an Italian project for a heavy assault tank, developed in 1942. The work was discontinued in the design phase in favor of more advanced developments uses a 90/53 90mm Cannone cannon and has an armor 100mm frontal was created to compete with the heavy plines of its German allies Tiger 1 and its rivals IS-2 and M26 but it has an inclined armor like that of the panther.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:37 pm
by ZakTheBuilder1
I like it, I just hope its real
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:39 pm
by BrenoHenrique
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:37 pm
I like it, I just hope its real
I don't know if it's real but the Germans have the E100
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:43 pm
by ZakTheBuilder1
The e100 had a blueprint and a incomplete chassis
The P1000 rate isn't real but I think there was a blue print
So if this tank has a blueprint its good
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:46 pm
by BrenoHenrique
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:43 pm
The e100 had a blueprint and a incomplete chassis
The P1000 rate isn't real but I think there was a blue print
So if this tank has a blueprint its good
all is well then.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:56 am
by ZakTheBuilder1
Does it have a real blueprint?!?!?
I made a mistake when I thought world of tanks was a reliable source
There not...
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:51 pm
by BrenoHenrique
No
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:25 pm
by ZakTheBuilder1
so it was never draw so its not real therefore it can not be added, sorry but someones done the same thing to me :<
I'll quote someone on the War Thunder forums that talked about it.
"-Carro d’assalto P.88:
There is no tank nor project with this name, this name is the work of fantasy of Wargaming as it is the tank itself, there are no vehicles with such gun or shape. The closest thing to it is the Carro Celere Sahariano that was a light tank with a total weight of 16tons, the shape of the hull and the placement of the turret is very similar, but the Sahariano was a light, fast tank armed with a 47mm gun and it was meant to be similar to the latest models of the English Crusader tank."
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:59 am
by BrenoHenrique
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:25 pm
so it was never draw so its not real therefore it can not be added, sorry but someones done the same thing to me :<
I'll quote someone on the War Thunder forums that talked about it.
"-Carro d’assalto P.88:
There is no tank nor project with this name, this name is the work of fantasy of Wargaming as it is the tank itself, there are no vehicles with such gun or shape. The closest thing to it is the Carro Celere Sahariano that was a light tank with a total weight of 16tons, the shape of the hull and the placement of the turret is very similar, but the Sahariano was a light, fast tank armed with a 47mm gun and it was meant to be similar to the latest models of the English Crusader tank."
I just put it on because the Italians no longer have their most powerful tank and the P.43 and P.43 bis in addition to these they have nothing to compete with the Maus, Tiger 2, T26E4 or anything else (if you know some powerful Italian tank tell me to do it)
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:59 pm
by ZakTheBuilder1
i forgot but there is another but i have to find some tanks for italy
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:09 pm
by ZakTheBuilder1
I found some tanks that may or may not be good
Fiat 2000
Im not sure if this is already in but
P26/40
They also had alot of french, and US tanks so maybe some Italian versions
Char B1
Somua S35
Firefly sherman
chaffee
pershing
dont hold me to it but i dont think the americans let them use anything idk.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:16 am
by doj43
https://comandosupremo.com/forums/index ... #post-2518
Sadly Wargaming has the blueprints of the Ansaldo vehicles of which the T-39 was based, so I'm not sure those in the link are the correct drawings. They could be fan made. If you were planning on creating the Russian T-39 for the game, then The Ansaldos could certainly qualify.
Ansaldo earlier versions were planned for cannons of 107mm, 152mm and 203mm versions. The 152mm 203mm version would be quite capable of killing the Mause.
The Semovente 149/40 would also have the capability to pen the Mause.
For the P43bis keep in mind there were 5 crewmembers one of which was a radioman that can be used as an assistant loader during combat (something that was apparently done with the crews of the Panther). Add to that the semi auto breech for the 90/53 derivative and you have a rather nice rate of fire.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am
by doj43
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:09 pm
I found some tanks that may or may not be good
Fiat 2000
That's the nice 1934 upgrade with two 37mms in place of the front mgs.
Im not sure if this is already in but
P26/40
Yes, P40 is already in this game
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:02 am
by BrenoHenrique
doj43 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:09 pm
I found some tanks that may or may not be good
Fiat 2000
That's the nice 1934 upgrade with two 37mms in place of the front mgs.
Im not sure if this is already in but
P26/40
Yes, P40 is already in this game
I found a heavy tank called P.75 but a prototype the project was abandoned due to the P26 / 40.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:04 am
by doj43
The P75 is mentioned here:
https://warspot.net/304-heavy-tank-italian-style
It would not be a better vehicle than the P43bis however Musollini called for a 90mm cannon around the time it was designed.
The P75 went through an evolution which eventually reduced the number of turrets and I guess you can say eventually became the P40. If that makes any sense.
The 75/18 cannon with a 20mm coax.are used in the blueprints and mockups.
In the warspot article you can discount the statement about the 90/53 for the P43BIS. It has since been identified by bluebeta (researcher for warthunder) as a derivative of the 90/53. This derivative had a smaller recoil buffer and breech so the 90/53 could fit into the turret of the P43bis.
https://comandosupremo.com/forums/index ... #post-3358
Sadly that means a lack of data for the gun since the tank was never built. It's unclear if the smaller breech means it couldn't take ammo for the 90/53. I haven't seen any evidence that it couldn't.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:54 am
by doj43
Here's a plate with all the known vehicles minus some WW1 era and some M113 variants with OTO turrets.
These are all just the track vehicles and don't cover the many wheeled vehicles.
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php ... ry12574897
*Note
'The dozer tank above the multi turret with a red dot is just a patent with no real description of armament, engine or armor.
-The Blueprint of the SPAAG with a red dot (after the Bassatto) is a design from 1993 and is in the wrong place.
-I only added the Pantera to reflect what wargaming did and that vehicle is considered a fake.
The tier 8 tank destroyer with the gun sticking out of the semovente 149/40 hull is just meant to represent a gun proposal for a 100/67 IIRC.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:10 pm
by ZakTheBuilder1
If the vehicle has a blueprint and or prototype then its allowed.
Just find a picture of the actual prototype or blueprint and find a reliable source, not a game.
like the P43 bis
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:23 pm
by BrenoHenrique
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:10 pm
If the vehicle has a blueprint and or prototype then its allowed.
Just find a picture of the actual prototype or blueprint and find a reliable source, not a game.
like the P43 bis
the P43 bis was produced yes
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:28 pm
by BrenoHenrique
read this here talk about P43 and P43bis and even have a picture of him.
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:50 am
by doj43
Re: P.88 heavy tank
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:57 pm
by BrenoHenrique
ZakTheBuilder1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:37 pm
I like it, I just hope its real
it can be a fun unit for italy.
