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Puss_in_Boots wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:53 pm What was the fix? I don't think it worked.
Lancers still counter with bonus.

I tested in map editor.

Puss_in_Boots wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:40 am Wait this is the AoF dev version!

I tested golden raptor and monitor lancer with human knights.

They did more than half of their base damage after I reinstalled dev version yesterday.

makazuwr32 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:26 am Mostly fine but few problems regarding bonuses:

1. Lancers with offencive bonuses setting deal still full damage on counter (without bonus but just base value full) instead of halved.
For example defender lancer deals full 65 attack damage (reduced by p. armor) to enemy attacking cavalry in place of halved one. I think in aos units deal just generic halved non-bonus damage in such case.
2. When 2 units with bonus to each other (anti-foot cavalry and anti-cav melee for example) defender still deals damage without bonuses — can we remove this trait when bonuses of attacker disable bonuses on defender?

Savra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:53 pm I think what he's referring to is the way units would counter attack normally, eg human warrior vs human warrior, one deals full damage on attack to the other minus armour, the other does halved damage back minus armour.

Basically:
Attacker: |Defender:
-------------------------|-------------------------
Atk:24-1 | Atk:12-1

Also one extra point i forgot.
3. Right now all units deal full damage on counter if bonus. Can we remove that as default?

makazuwr32 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:22 pm Not sure but as for me if defender bonuses are offencive only than on founter it must deal normally halved base damage only.

2. In aos attacker and defender bonuses are not normally nullified when both units have them against each other.
I want to implement same trait for aof.

Also one extra point i forgot.
3. Right now all units deal full damage on counter if bonus. Can we remove that as default?

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:02 pm

makazuwr32 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:22 pm Not sure but as for me if defender bonuses are offencive only than on founter it must deal normally halved base damage only.

2. In aos attacker and defender bonuses are not normally nullified when both units have them against each other.
I want to implement same trait for aof.

Also one extra point i forgot.
3. Right now all units deal full damage on counter if bonus. Can we remove that as default?

Currently AoF has IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER=true (unlike AoS were it's false).
This is the "old way" of counter damage that exactly makes:
- all units behave like they would have ATTACK_COUNTER_NO_BONUS_VS_BONUS spec - defender unit doesn't deal any bonus damage if attacker has bonus damage against it
- all units behave similarly as if they'd have ATTACK_FULL_COUNTER_IF_BONUS - counter damage is 100% instead of 50% when defender has bonus (except in IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER it's nullified if attacker also has bonus)

Those two specs were actually introduced to replace old way for some units in some situations.

To change those two both at once - IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER=false needs to be set.
It can be made from assets by adding in initialization.json under defBools:
{"key":"IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER", "val":false}


And additionally ATTACK_COUNTER_NO_BONUS doesn't work as some may have expected, because defender unit with this spec still deals 100% damage on counter (only with no damage bonuses), which only happens in IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER=true part of calculations.
This one is still up to be changed probably.

We indeed disabled IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER on initialization though according to stratego

Aral_Yaren wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:06 pm Excuse me:
1. I read that casting range for summoning is limited to one, however some unit rites - as I know little - need more that 5 corpses, Uds Hydra and Dragon need 5 corpse (please reconfirm as I might be wrong). If casting range is decreased to one (means only 4 corpses in surrounding sacrificeable), then how about rites that need 5 or more corpses?

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:21 pm updated lancer logic uos already.
and now the IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER flag is turned on for sure in AOF
and a few savra fixes

makazuwr32 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:22 am

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:21 pm updated lancer logic uos already.
and now the IS_BONUS_NEGLECTS_EACH_OTHER flag is turned on for sure in AOF
and a few savra fixes

Uhm why?
I thought we must turn it off instead of on so counter_no_bonus spec action works properly..

this one.