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C47 have a wrong cost IMPLEMENTED
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:46 pm
by DreJaDe
Looking at the ju52, it has a speed of 265 kmh amounting to 4 speed in game.
But c47 have 360kmh but only have 5 speed. But it should have 6 based on the formula of dividing the paratrooper plane to 60.
Can you check this?
@Jasondunkel
@Stratego (dev)
Also, can we reduce the paratrooper plan cost to 4?
They are really hard to use, so expensive, and always need aircraft carrier even though they shouldnt even be able to do that.
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:05 am
by Stratego (dev)
these are the values in xls
c47 : 360
ju52: 265
US Douglas_C-47_Skytrain 1941- 8000 360 2500
GB Douglas_C-47_Skytrain 1941- 8000 360 2500
GER Ju52 1931- 5700 265 1000
JP Ki-34 Thora 1936- 3500 360 1200
are these wrong?
the equation is now dividing speed by 70 and rounding.
is that ok?
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:22 am
by DreJaDe
Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:05 am
these are the values in xls
c47 : 360
ju52: 265
US Douglas_C-47_Skytrain 1941- 8000 360 2500
GB Douglas_C-47_Skytrain 1941- 8000 360 2500
GER Ju52 1931- 5700 265 1000
JP Ki-34 Thora 1936- 3500 360 1200
are these wrong?
the equation is now dividing speed by 70 and rounding.
is that ok?
I thought it was being divided by 60?
Though the problem now is more of the cost than the speed. As its to costly to be effectively used
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:55 pm
by Stratego (dev)
ok but what u mean they need aircraft carrier?
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:14 pm
by Jasondunkel
we can do the paratroopers at 4 costs. the planes are not specially armored and they are very slow.
the question will be whether there will be a kind of spem with the lower costs.
dre will say that the paratroopers in the game move faster when they move with an aircraft carrier.
the consideration here could be that we take the paratoopers out of the actual xls and give them all a movement of 7-8, for example, so they could then be used a little more effectively
should we increase the range, however, the costs should not be reduced
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:13 am
by DreJaDe
Jasondunkel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:14 pm
we can do the paratroopers at 4 costs. the planes are not specially armored and they are very slow.
the question will be whether there will be a kind of spem with the lower costs.
dre will say that the paratroopers in the game move faster when they move with an aircraft carrier.
the consideration here could be that we take the paratoopers out of the actual xls and give them all a movement of 7-8, for example, so they could then be used a little more effectively
should we increase the range, however, the costs should not be reduced
Spamming it is the way to use it.
Thats how it was used IRL.
Fighters on the other hand only needs few of them and still cause havoc among bomber formation.
Also want to them to be in tc.
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:51 pm
by Jasondunkel
hmm richtig viele luftlandeoperationen habe ich jetzt nicht in er innerung. richtig einfallen ist die einanhme von kreta und operation market garden. sonst war meinens wissens nach sowas untergeordent. also sehe ich dort keine notwendigkeit vom spam . also sehe ich auch keine notwendigkeit paratooprs in tc zu bauen
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i translated it as Jason posted german accidentally:
hmm i don't really remember many airborne operations. really come up with the taking of crete and operation market garden. otherwise, as far as I know, something was subordinate. So I don't see any need for spam there. so i see no need to build paratooprs in tc either
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:42 am
by DreJaDe
Jasondunkel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:51 pm
hmm richtig viele luftlandeoperationen habe ich jetzt nicht in er innerung. richtig einfallen ist die einanhme von kreta und operation market garden. sonst war meinens wissens nach sowas untergeordent. also sehe ich dort keine notwendigkeit vom spam . also sehe ich auch keine notwendigkeit paratooprs in tc zu bauen
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i translated it as Jason posted german accidentally:
hmm i don't really remember many airborne operations. really come up with the taking of crete and operation market garden. otherwise, as far as I know, something was subordinate. So I don't see any need for spam there. so i see no need to build paratooprs in tc either
Normandy landing required 13k Americans and 8k British paratroopers
Market required 34k paratroopers
operation varsity have 16k paratroopers
Soviet Dnipier airborne operation have 6k paratroopers
Ockenburg by germany have 8k paratroopers
sufficed to say, they are heavily spammed in many cases in the war
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:07 pm
by Jasondunkel
in the amount of used troops always very little. there are quite a few in operation market garden. So I still see no reason to have them specially built in tc's.
in most games you will have 2 plus x airfields where you can build enough paratroopers
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:23 pm
by DreJaDe
Jasondunkel wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:07 pm
in the amount of used troops always very little. there are quite a few in operation market garden. So I still see no reason to have them specially built in tc's.
in most games you will have 2 plus x airfields where you can build enough paratroopers
I have at least 5 where they were spammed and could have said more BTW.
I know the germand didnt do it that much but allies is a different story..
I guess thats fine. So I guess its ok for ally to have less costly and available in tc then?
Like the me262 of germany
Re: C47 have a wrong speed
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:17 pm
by Jasondunkel
ith consultation of stratego
Paratroopers cost reduced to 4 but remain on airfield for building
Re: C47 have a wrong cost IMPLEMENTED
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:42 pm
by Stratego (dev)
yes, and also it is in.