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Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am
1. Players should be able to See messages even on other people's turns. See, but not write. Currently, you cannot open message window at all on other people's turns. This change is needed because:
- After you are defeated, you cannot see the messages or talk about a rematch (as you cannot see the other person's last message anymore)
- A Player might wanna see the previous messages and plan ahead during an enemy's or allies' turn.
- A Player might want to keep a complete game that was particularly good, and to be able to view the messages even after game finish.

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am
2. Player should be able to select units even on other people's turns. Select, but not move, act, waypoint, delete, open carrier, etc. So you can only select to see the unit's stats window, and effects on it. This is required because currently there's no way to check your units when its an enemy's or allies' turn. Once you are halfway through a game, you probably have way too many units to keep track of them all the time.

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am I want to suggest the following QOL changes for the game:

3. HP Increases should be displayed like other increases as well. For example, if you have some armor techs researched, your unit might show: 2+4/3+4 armor. However, if you have some HP techs researched, you do not see this addition. ie you see 100/100 hp (no way of knowing what is original amount and what is tech gained, or gained through effects.
Idea for that: Suppose you have a 50/50 hp unit. You researched a tech that gives it +15 hp. Currently it will be displayed as 65/65.
Suggestion: display it like 65/65 (+15)

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am

4. When a player opens the stats window of a unit, their stats are displayed by accounting for effects and techs. However, when you select same unit in production menu of a factory or TC, techs are not accounted for. So if real unit has 2+4/3+4 armor, unit window opened from production selection in TC only shows 2/3 armor. This should be changed, and unit should display stats accounting for techs, just like actual units. So in late game, it is easier to check which unit should be trained, as their stats might have changed massively due to techs.

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am

5. If a player is defeated/kicked/resigned, they should still be able to see the game. They should gain "sight" from their remaining units + all allies units. So even if a player is defeated, they can still see the match of their ally who is left.

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:28 pm could be, but dangerous, if anything i miss to check - the use can manipulate in enemy turn - so needs good teting after i make it.
can someone volunteer to test?

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:32 pm this is not so clear as:
- on armor case there is no "regular" change of value like on hp - so i can simply compare the "stock" unit value and write the difference postfixed by with + and - value.
- however what i should do on hp case? if unit lost 10hp by damage i should write 50-10? if not - why not? (if i need to write "increase" like 50+10 than the logic would show the other way too.)
- also what if unit base hp is 50 and tech increased to 60 (i would show 50+10) BUT if unit got 15 damage what i should show? (50-5 or 60-15 or 45 ?)

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:33 pm i am not sure this is a good approach - that in-game help is the "general help" that is not related to the running game at all.

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:34 pm so like on defeat is thould gain the "writing" tech?
istn this contradictory or problemous?

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:38 pm

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:32 pm this is not so clear as:
- on armor case there is no "regular" change of value like on hp - so i can simply compare the "stock" unit value and write the difference postfixed by with + and - value.
- however what i should do on hp case? if unit lost 10hp by damage i should write 50-10? if not - why not? (if i need to write "increase" like 50+10 than the logic would show the other way too.)
- also what if unit base hp is 50 and tech increased to 60 (i would show 50+10) BUT if unit got 15 damage what i should show? (50-5 or 60-15 or 45 ?)

In this case I am suggesting something different than the armor one. For example,
Original: 50/50
Researched tech for +10 hp: 60/60 (+10)
Takes 15 damage: 45/60 (+10)

=> ie the (+10) part is constant - it is just showing you the maxHP gained from techs/effects over "stock" value

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:41 pm

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:33 pm i am not sure this is a good approach - that in-game help is the "general help" that is not related to the running game at all.

I see. Do you mean its hard to implement?
I often face problems because of this - as you always need to calculate tech changes whenever deciding what unit to train. For many races like dwarves, or scaledfolk, this change can be so drastic that actual in-game unit is nowhere close to "stock" value.

Since matches often last for weeks and months, its nearly impossible to remember what techs you have. You need to constantly check and re-learn your tech stat changes when deciding what to train.

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 pm

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:34 pm so like on defeat is thould gain the "writing" tech?
istn this contradictory or problemous?

It's more like "Spectator mode". It can be a "Spectator mode" tech which has the same effect as "Writing" tech. It shouldn't be problematic, as it gives no additional information that the team didn't already have. More importantly, it lets you view your ally continue the match and see who ultimately won.

This is actually a big issue in the game - For team matches, once you lose/resign/kicked, you have no way of knowing what happened to the match.

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:32 pm

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am I want to suggest the following QOL changes for the game:

3. HP Increases should be displayed like other increases as well. For example, if you have some armor techs researched, your unit might show: 2+4/3+4 armor. However, if you have some HP techs researched, you do not see this addition. ie you see 100/100 hp (no way of knowing what is original amount and what is tech gained, or gained through effects.
Idea for that: Suppose you have a 50/50 hp unit. You researched a tech that gives it +15 hp. Currently it will be displayed as 65/65.
Suggestion: display it like 65/65 (+15)

this is not so clear as:
- on armor case there is no "regular" change of value like on hp - so i can simply compare the "stock" unit value and write the difference postfixed by with + and - value.
- however what i should do on hp case? if unit lost 10hp by damage i should write 50-10? if not - why not? (if i need to write "increase" like 50+10 than the logic would show the other way too.)
- also what if unit base hp is 50 and tech increased to 60 (i would show 50+10) BUT if unit got 15 damage what i should show? (50-5 or 60-15 or 45 ?)

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:14 am

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:41 pm

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:33 pm i am not sure this is a good approach - that in-game help is the "general help" that is not related to the running game at all.

I see. Do you mean its hard to implement?
I often face problems because of this - as you always need to calculate tech changes whenever deciding what unit to train. For many races like dwarves, or scaledfolk, this change can be so drastic that actual in-game unit is nowhere close to "stock" value.

Since matches often last for weeks and months, its nearly impossible to remember what techs you have. You need to constantly check and re-learn your tech stat changes when deciding what to train.

mhmm. i see.

i dont think that hard, (i just need to run the apply all techs to unit logic on a fake sample unit or something.)
the thing i am afraid its not "logical" approach -> case: what if u want to see the stock values? (eg. for thinging for enemy units and their properties) that would be bothering to see your own tech-altered stats...

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am I want to suggest the following QOL changes for the game:

1. Players should be able to See messages even on other people's turns. See, but not write. Currently, you cannot open message window at all on other people's turns. This change is needed because:
- After you are defeated, you cannot see the messages or talk about a rematch (as you cannot see the other person's last message anymore)
- A Player might wanna see the previous messages and plan ahead during an enemy's or allies' turn.
- A Player might want to keep a complete game that was particularly good, and to be able to view the messages even after game finish.

2. Player should be able to select units even on other people's turns. Select, but not move, act, waypoint, delete, open carrier, etc. So you can only select to see the unit's stats window, and effects on it. This is required because currently there's no way to check your units when its an enemy's or allies' turn. Once you are halfway through a game, you probably have way too many units to keep track of them all the time.

3. HP Increases should be displayed like other increases as well. For example, if you have some armor techs researched, your unit might show: 2+4/3+4 armor. However, if you have some HP techs researched, you do not see this addition. ie you see 100/100 hp (no way of knowing what is original amount and what is tech gained, or gained through effects.
Idea for that: Suppose you have a 50/50 hp unit. You researched a tech that gives it +15 hp. Currently it will be displayed as 65/65.
Suggestion: display it like 65/65 (+15)

4. When a player opens the stats window of a unit, their stats are displayed by accounting for effects and techs. However, when you select same unit in production menu of a factory or TC, techs are not accounted for. So if real unit has 2+4/3+4 armor, unit window opened from production selection in TC only shows 2/3 armor. This should be changed, and unit should display stats accounting for techs, just like actual units. So in late game, it is easier to check which unit should be trained, as their stats might have changed massively due to techs.

5. If a player is defeated/kicked/resigned, they should still be able to see the game. They should gain "sight" from their remaining units + all allies units. So even if a player is defeated, they can still see the match of their ally who is left.

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:28 pm

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am
2. Player should be able to select units even on other people's turns. Select, but not move, act, waypoint, delete, open carrier, etc. So you can only select to see the unit's stats window, and effects on it. This is required because currently there's no way to check your units when its an enemy's or allies' turn. Once you are halfway through a game, you probably have way too many units to keep track of them all the time.

could be, but dangerous, if anything i miss to check - the use can manipulate in enemy turn - so needs good teting after i make it.
can someone volunteer to test?

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:32 pm

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am I want to suggest the following QOL changes for the game:

3. HP Increases should be displayed like other increases as well. For example, if you have some armor techs researched, your unit might show: 2+4/3+4 armor. However, if you have some HP techs researched, you do not see this addition. ie you see 100/100 hp (no way of knowing what is original amount and what is tech gained, or gained through effects.
Idea for that: Suppose you have a 50/50 hp unit. You researched a tech that gives it +15 hp. Currently it will be displayed as 65/65.
Suggestion: display it like 65/65 (+15)

this is not so clear as:
- on armor case there is no "regular" change of value like on hp - so i can simply compare the "stock" unit value and write the difference postfixed by with + and - value.
- however what i should do on hp case? if unit lost 10hp by damage i should write 50-10? if not - why not? (if i need to write "increase" like 50+10 than the logic would show the other way too.)
- also what if unit base hp is 50 and tech increased to 60 (i would show 50+10) BUT if unit got 15 damage what i should show? (50-5 or 60-15 or 45 ?)

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:33 pm

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:51 am

4. When a player opens the stats window of a unit, their stats are displayed by accounting for effects and techs. However, when you select same unit in production menu of a factory or TC, techs are not accounted for. So if real unit has 2+4/3+4 armor, unit window opened from production selection in TC only shows 2/3 armor. This should be changed, and unit should display stats accounting for techs, just like actual units. So in late game, it is easier to check which unit should be trained, as their stats might have changed massively due to techs.

i am not sure this is a good approach - that in-game help is the "general help" that is not related to the running game at all.

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:14 am i dont think that hard, (i just need to run the apply all techs to unit logic on a fake sample unit or something.)
the thing i am afraid its not "logical" approach -> case: what if u want to see the stock values? (eg. for thinging for enemy units and their properties) that would be bothering to see your own tech-altered stats...

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 4:16 am

Vulkan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 pm

Stratego (dev) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:34 pm so like on defeat is thould gain the "writing" tech?
istn this contradictory or problemous?

It's more like "Spectator mode". It can be a "Spectator mode" tech which has the same effect as "Writing" tech. It shouldn't be problematic, as it gives no additional information that the team didn't already have. More importantly, it lets you view your ally continue the match and see who ultimately won.

This is actually a big issue in the game - For team matches, once you lose/resign/kicked, you have no way of knowing what happened to the match.

i presume you mean only the non-revealed matches. as on revealed ones you see everything

i can make it without tech too... if on checking visibility the died person sees all its allies view hardcoded.

not sure it is a good base for exploits (first i thought to see everything but that would be definitely exploit)