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heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced. - IMPLEMENTED
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:45 am
by TheBluePhoenix
The horse archer upgrade is just unbeatable at present.even halberdiers and heavy lancers are useless against it completely.they need heavy bonuses against it.and heavy archer upgrade pierce and armour bonus also need to be decreased
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:24 am
by Alexander82
i think it's just a matter of bonus from the anti cavalry units. Armor and pierce were just 2 as far as i remember, just like other heavy cavalry
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:16 am
by TheBluePhoenix
Yes maybe.
because i am playing a game against a multiplayer with a swarm of upgraded horse archers.he researched some armour techs and know my halberdier does only 2 damage on it! I mean whatever upgrade he may have , an anti cavalry unit of same level should atleeast reduce its health to half.
Dev reply soon else this will make this upgrade extremely op.at present , with fully researched armour tech the horse archer upgrade recieves-
-2 hp frm hb attack
-8 hp from heavy knight attack
-8 hp from heavy lancer attack
-8 hp from man of arms
Clearly the redns in hp should haave been about-
-13 hp
- 10hp
-13 hp
-10 hp
respectively
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:49 am
by Alexander82
If they are fully upgraded it's normal that is hard to kill. It's probably a bonus issue.
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:46 am
by TheBluePhoenix
As i said , even after upgrade a cavlry unit should be easily injured by an anti cavalry unit.it may be hard to kill but the unit should not become completely useless as is with halberdier.
Yea its a bonus issue. Halberdier should have at least 200% bonus against it.but even then he will be quite weak. I have suggested the approx. Damage that it should do after upgrade also( i have edited it)
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:21 am
by Alexander82
We should balance anti cavalry to kill it in max 2 turns
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:01 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
Agree completely
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:36 am
by TheBluePhoenix
Dev what do u think??
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:15 pm
by Stratego (dev)
this must be a bug in setting of the bonus - i will check.
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:23 pm
by Stratego (dev)
Halberdier anti cavalry bonus on heavy horse archer is fixed, up on server in 10! thanks!
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:09 pm
by TheBluePhoenix
What about lancer , heavy knight, man of arms? They are also very weak
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:51 pm
by Stratego (dev)
please give specific stat change suggestion. i can not get it from above written values. thanks!
also lancer bonus was also fixed with the halberdiear (all anty cavalry has been fixed)
maybe a hp decreasing on heavy horse archer? eg -5hp? and also having only 1/1 armors?
update: i saw that it had 2/2 armors but upgrading is not used to increase armors - so i removed all armors from heavy horse arher - is it ok now? (up on server in 10 minutes)
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:01 pm
by COOLguy
I think the heavy Lancer has +armors when he is upgraded form normal Lancers. Should we change that too?
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:03 pm
by Stratego (dev)
no, lancer originally had 2 armors as i see.
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:12 pm
by COOLguy
Oh okay.

Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:58 am
by TheBluePhoenix
Ok i will try it
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:28 am
by Alexander82
Well, in that case i think it had some sense, being more armored than the original horse archer.
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:12 pm
by Stratego (dev)
was this discussion closed?
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced.
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:42 pm
by COOLguy
I am satisfied, and have not heard anything for a long time.
Re: heavy horse archer-ridiculously unbalanced. - ANSWERED
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:49 am
by TheBluePhoenix
Well but it was not answered, it was implemented....