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Im not sure if its intended but factory buildings do not benefit from it, whereas massive walls affect them.
Is masonry for fortifications, and massive walls for factories?
If so they have the same turn cost, but massive walls affects both fortifications and factories.

I think masonry affects only fortifications but gives more, and the two techs are stack-able.

COOLguy wrote:I think masonry affects only fortifications but gives more, and the two techs are stack-able.

Masonry and massive walls both give 20 health and a 40% mend bonus, they give the same...

I feel like massive walls should only affect fortifications and masonry should affect everything.

DoomCarrot wrote:I feel like massive walls should only affect fortifications and masonry should affect everything.

Then masonry and massive walls should swap (masonry becomes only available in advancement center, unlocked by upgrade, whereas massive walls is unlocked by default and placed in tc)
The only thing that that would change is the name of this thread

Coolguy please make statement here too - thanks!

Massive walls actually give 30hp, and make factories take longer to build!

Okay one second. I will find the other thread because I think I thought of a solution.

Okay, a similar thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2015&hilit=masonry

The problem stated there: the Massive Walls Tech causes build time to climb for all structures
The problem stated in this thread: the name "Masonry" is misleading because it doesn't affect all structures

So my solution for both problems
1) -Have all the structures that currently benefit from the "Massive Walls" tech still be affected by it except the Great Castle
-Have the tech add "1.2" to the "bonusMendingWhenConstructing" value (along with the still 30 hp)
-Increase the tech cost by 1-2 turns
-State that it reduces the cost of the Fortress.
and
2) -Swap the names of "Masonry" and "Massive Walls"

Well coolguy you will be in regret if you change it cause your catapult ship survived just because the gaurd tower took me 4 turns to build and i had only 3 workers. Anyway, the change is welcomed

lol

ok, up on server a version where both techs give + 50% hp to all buildings and +50% bonus for construction - so the turn requirement will be the same.

please check how it works now and give suggestions to change.

So if we research both Masonry and Massive Walls, will the 50% bonus stack, i.e with a 20HP building, one tech will make it 30HP, and both will make it 45HP?
Because if that's the case, I believe it will be OP.

Also, I noticed that the AI players all now start off with 30HP factory buildings (barracks, archery range, church, and so on... ), are they meant to have 30HP?

Well nothing's op as every structure is easily destructible. I dont know about the ai thing though...

They have all default techs researched (masonry included but not massive walls)

How is that OP?

Yes, archers won't be able to destroy a barracks in 4 hits anymore (which os stupid imo), but a treb or heavy catapult will still destroy it in one turn easily.

Also, spending 10 turns or so to get these upgrades is no small price.

Yes, now I will actually be building massive walls instead of avoiding it like the plague

it is buggy...
i just saw that it took me 5 turns to build a building that has 30 hp because of masonry (although the build list shows 3 turns...)

so it is not working fine - did not you experienced this?

MAsonry/massive walls: now i hope i have fixed it, workers build the buildings in same time as before the tech,
these needs extensive testing:
- masonry/massive walls: bonus on mending when constructing
- masonry/massive walls: does all buildings get the HP bonus (existing ones and so on)
- also needs check the persuasion tech
- also the ambidextria tech

Okay, I am researching them now on three of my mp games. I will let you know the result