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He does more damage to buildings than spartans it seems, can one hit most basic infantry units, and it takes quite a bit more to bring him down than any other foot soldier for that price. Does anyone think he should have a 2-5 point nerf on health or attack?

Yeah I made him strong. He is like a slower and slightly weaker version of the knight.

I generally pick him with archers and/or charge with the cavalry. Also catapults, ballistae, and triremes are good too.

No, he is not OP. Dies with four normal archer hits https://youtu.be/tBwuhqp51CA?t=3m6s (in Turkish though)

Hmm, I'm starting to find his weaknesses I think. He is deffinately a very useful unit though. I would prefer him over any other anti building infantry any day besides man at arms.

same

He has no bonus on castle

But who in their right mind would attack a castle with infantry to begin with

Me - i generally use man at arms and surround the castle with 4 of them to fall the castle within 2 turns

TheBluePhoenix wrote:Me - i generally use man at arms and surround the castle with 4 of them to fall the castle within 2 turns

Wow I had no clue.

I will look into the bonus deal.

Omg, I just sid the math and your right, man-at-arms would destroy a castle super quick

Not just man at arms, shielders are good too(the upgrade even better) they are well protected against the fiery arrows of the castle . But man at arms are best. Swordsmen get killed too easily

Wow my chronic underestimation of infantry has left me

The maceman is supposed to be an elite version of the swordsman, whose weakness is cavalry, yet the maceman does more damage to cavalry than cavalry do to him. I just think the maceman is overpowered and now because of that overused. No units have a bonus against him. All units should have at least one weakness

The maceman is overpowered and because of that overused. No units have a bonus against the maceman and all units should have a weakness(es). Maceman is likened to an elite version of swordsman, whose major weakness is cavalry, yet maceman does more damage to cavalry than cavalry do to him. Having such high attack, he should also have some weaknesses, for example a 50% cavalry bonus against him

Yes you are right. I recently noticed its strength against cavalry. However i think that it should remain as it is. But i was thinking, that macemen would be pretty slow while attacking due to the weight of the mace , right? So why not give him a hit probability of 50%? Similar to slingers and catapults?this way he will be more balanced

I agree with lagitkiller. In many multiplayer games people overuse maceman and the only counter is to attack with maceman themselves. In my opinion cavalry needs to have a bonus against maceman in order to check the maceman. Another option would be to add a new unit that has bonus against maceman.

TheBluePhoenix wrote:Yes you are right. I recently noticed its strength against cavalry. However i think that it should remain as it is. But i was thinking, that macemen would be pretty slow while attacking due to the weight of the mace , right? So why not give him a hit probability of 50%? Similar to slingers and catapults?this way he will be more balanced

I dont think i will ever use the maceman if the chance of hitting is 50%. How about lowering its speed?

I don't think he is OP.

But if he is, it would make more sense to just take away his counter-attack.

That is good option too

COOLguy wrote:I don't think he is OP.

But if he is, it would make more sense to just take away his counter-attack.

Hmm, this would make a lot of sense, considering that maces are generally large and heavy weapons, not particularly good at defense. This would make him a purely offensive unit, though still powerful.

Yeah right

Taking away his counter-attack could be interesting, it would make him a unique unit. If that is done though, he should be given 1/0 or 2/0 armor though, probably 1/0, so he doesn't get completely mauled by weak units

How about the good old skirmishers become their bane? A javelin to the gut doesn't help with swinging a mace, and skirmishers are just quality guys in a broad sense

Good old skirmies are already everythings bane

Yep, 'cept when you're using them

was this discussion closed:?

I dont think so, and i still see them being way overused in multiplayer, especially by those who arent so good. Even if the only change is to 15 attack instead of 17, that would be fine

Daniel (the dev) wrote:was this discussion closed:?

No it is too new - we should keep it open longer.

I think that Macemen are useful, but they are very easy to counter.

Ask DoomCarrot. In our mp I use them, but they were far from OP.

Like I said when talking about men-at-arms:

They are very powerful infantry early game and certainly are "easy" to use, but if you put in the effort to get man-at-arms, they are outclassed as the best all-around infantry. They are very useful, but not OP.

I have realized that hussars have bonuses against every infantry but macemen. I think this may be the case for other cavalry as well. Was this intended?