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SirPat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:02 am We already have persian immortals

IRONBLASTER36 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:48 pm

SirPat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:02 am We already have persian immortals

How about we add a fun unit- Prince of Persia?

SirPat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:19 pm I was planning on making these "Hashashin's" like a normal unit, Not steppable Not Fragile nor tanky and has enough bonus to kill almost all foot tier 2

Stats?
Maybe

23/23 or 25/25 hp
10 dmg
1 range
0/1 A.P
100% resistance
4 move speed
Invisible?


300% bonus on every foot soldier both melee and ranged

SirPat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:14 pm Historically they fight for there own cause as a group they don't join anyone else except there fellow Hashashins and besides there assassin's thats like you ordered someone to kill someone then your assassin join forces with the enemy like come on 100% spell resistance is needed so that assassinations would be succesful

SirPat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:59 am Well I dont know if They Do That I'll look it up

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:40 am These stats are equivalent of soldier with cheap, medium armor.
Too much hp for assasin - even if he survives his suicidal attack he would be compromised - that's why assasin is one-kill only.
Assasin defence is being hidden - it could be inagined as being conclealed as one of our own army or some civilian. That's why being stepped on kills him - it's being revelaed.

He should have low hp. Also low attack and ability dealing damage (or no counterattack).
On the offensive side - why limit his usage to foot soldiers only - being assasinated is the fear of nobility, not common footsoldiers.
Also even if reusable he shouldn't make kill after kill on enemy territory - kill ability should have cooldown.

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:21 am It depends - one strike from whom?

No matter how trained someone is - while unarmored there is no way to fully block the strike from two handed weapon of fully fitted knight.

Reusable assasin (with no ability to destroy buildings) would be fine, but he should be killed by one melee strike. He could survive and arrow or two.

Just image situation:
You suspect there is an assasin somewhere. Few units walk to find him. Finally there he is and he survives 2 or 3 swordsmen, while killing all of them.

It's not real. It's pure fantasy.
It's not balanced either. With bonus on foot soldiers - he could massacre whole groups by himself. One by one. Even if found out.

My proposition for Hashashin:
4-5 turns, 8-13 hp max with no armors (preferably 8), power 6-8 (no higher than swordsman), ability assasinate (works only against alive units dealing 20-30 hp with possible poison effect, cooldown 2-3), stealth, can see stealth.

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm First of all - one unarmored man with nothing but dagger or short sword fighting two armored foot soldiers on open field and surviving?

Besides real fighters from order of Hashashins were known as fida'i and the term is derived from Arabic: فدائيون fidā'īyūn IPA: [fɪdaːʔɪjuːn], literally meaning: "those who sacrifice themselves" (from wikipedia).
They were expected to not survive!
In their structure was religious belief, that sacrificing themselves for "greater good" guaranteed heaven.

While it cannot be believed completely (only one-sided historical records - of their enemies), one thing is true for any assasins around the entire world - they were often killed right after assassination attempt (doesn't matter if successful).

There is also a balance thing:
- ranger is 4 turn stealth unit. He has 12 hp and 0/2 armor. He has only 4 power with 6 range (in hidden state). He is reusable and quite hard to track down, but deals very small damage (3 turns to kill worker).
- assasin is 4 turn stealth unit. He has 8 hp and 0/0 armor. He is easier to track down ( no speed boosts). He has no range and is one-kill use only.
- hashashin (or maybe better call him fidai) - 4-5 turns stealth unit. He should have 3 speed, as nothing gives precedence or even a reason for being faster. He is just as hard to track as assassin, as he also needs close range to deal damage. But he is reusable with the con of not being able to destroy buildings. So it's something between ranger and assasin. Ranger needs 3-5 turns to kill 1st tier units. I believe fidai should need similar time (cooldown), but to deal with heavier armored, better units.