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@Stratego (dev) @Endru1241

Since there were some talks of nerfing sight to promote use of scout like units, i propose a drastic change in standard sight of aos.

Maximum standard sight shall b 8 tiles and units that will have 8 sight are, light cavalry, raider, horse archer (because its looking on top a horse), elephant archer (for same reason), scout bird (finally has a big advantage to b worth makin), ornithopter (can move 10 tiles in own area but only 8 tiles max when infiltrating), watch towers and forest sentry. (no individual human unit will EVER increase sight simply by upgrading itself)

Every other units that currently have 8 or greater sight will have 7 sight (including foot archers, towers, castles, siege, ships) sailing ships that will have 7 sight will b able to increase sight to 8 by sight increasing tech like telescope for example, however siege ships will still have 7 sight max. Torch will increase only +1 sight, allowing watch towers to have maximum sight of 9 tiles and giving other defending towers 8 sight for a significant advantage. Torch wont b op cuz a single battering ram on wagon will give attacking players significant advantage with 10 range trebuchets.

Good idea, i agree with u. But i don't think horse archer has 8 sight points, it is not a scout unit. With that logic, elephants would have 10 sight. The sight of ranged units should be reduced: infantry has 4 sight and an archer without upgrades has 7. They will get some extra sight wity techs. Right now i feel it is op. By the way, when you burn a building, it could give you one tiles sight around burning building.

Higher sight is simply another reason to make horse archer over foot archer, cuz foot archer is still more cost effective currently. And elephant's main role is tank, y would it need high sight? And current logic doesnt allow to see more than ur own unit's sight number so i dont think its possible to see more from burnin. Also if u r close enough to burn enemy structure, u would also most likely b able to see beyond

Sight depends on ur own ability to see and range depends on ur arm strength/ launching strength of machinery, and actually, u know wat, i just realised elephant riding archer really should have higher sight so let him have 8 sight too, edited first post

godOfKings wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:49 pm Higher sight is simply another reason to make horse archer over foot archer, cuz foot archer is still more cost effective currently. And elephant's main role is tank, y would it need high sight? And current logic doesnt allow to see more than ur own unit's sight number so i dont think its possible to see more from burnin. Also if u r close enough to burn enemy structure, u would also most likely b able to see beyond

About burning buildings, it was an idea, remember this is a thirs person game, then, the logic was slmething like this:"light of flames let you see things close to it". Now i realize it doesn't make sense. Anyway, i don't understand ur opinion about reduce foot archers sight. Skirmisher has 3 on sight, alonger has 5, hospitaller has 8, even more than longbow. I thnik they should have 6 as max, including longbows

Lol, wen i say foot archer, i mean ALL foot archers, including hospitaller, long bow etc. Only archers on top of horses and elephants will have 8 sight, every other land walking archer units cannot have more than 7 sight

godOfKings wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:25 pm Lol, wen i say foot archer, i mean ALL foot archers, including hospitaller, long bow etc. Only archers on top of horses and elephants will have 8 sight, every other land walking archer units cannot have more than 7 sight

I think the limit should be 6 and 7 after upgrades. Artillery like catapult or threbuchet should bave less sight too. Then you should take it with a scout unit. Is a nerff.

godOfKings wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:29 pm Since there were some talks of nerfing sight to promote use of scout like units

Will u stop repeating wat i say already.... just let the moderator come and give his verdict on the concept, dont speak unless u have anything new to add

godOfKings wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:29 pm Since there were some talks of nerfing sight to promote use of scout like units, i propose a drastic change in standard sight of aos.

Maximum standard sight shall b 8 tiles and units that will have 8 sight are, light cavalry, raider, horse archer (because its looking on top a horse), elephant archer (for same reason), scout bird (finally has a big advantage to b worth makin), ornithopter (can move 10 tiles in own area but only 8 tiles max when infiltrating), watch towers and forest sentry. (no individual human unit will EVER increase sight simply by upgrading itself)

Every other units that currently have 8 or greater sight will have 7 sight (including foot archers, towers, castles, siege, ships) sailing ships that will have 7 sight will b able to increase sight to 8 by sight increasing tech like telescope for example, however siege ships will still have 7 sight max. Torch will increase only +1 sight, allowing watch towers to have maximum sight of 9 tiles and giving other defending towers 8 sight for a significant advantage. Torch wont b op cuz a single battering ram on wagon will give attacking players significant advantage with 10 range trebuchets.

What I had in mind was almost the same, but sometimes going a step further.

Separating all units into sight categories:
2 sight - walls, palisades
3 sight - regular buildings, limited sight units (battering ram, transports)
4 sight - regular army melee units , low siege machines(catapult, ballista etc.)
5 sight - regular cavalry units, chariots, foot ranged units, cannoneer, siege ships
6 sight - foot light quasi-scouting units, mounted archers, high siege machines (siege tower, trebuchet) , attack ships, ramming ships, low or unique terrain towers
7 sight - foot scouts, light cavalry, scouting ships, battleships, regular towers (including cannon tower)
8 sight - castles, forts, fortresses, watch towers, flying units

Each of the groups: buildings, ships, human units would get +1 sight tech (in building case it's town patrol). Maybe in ships case additional one.

What's more I was even thinking of giving transports aura with 0 range decreasing sight by , let's say 2, to limit effectiveness of just taking one scouting unit in.
But it's a little problematic, that it would affect other units in the same place (in TC, bigger transport).

sounds good, also siege tower would now have a great use as a scout with high vision as for vision reducing wagon, its not really necessary since maximum sight of any wagon carry able unit is 7 while a castle/ tower already has 8 sight