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I read a few MTG cards and i saw some orc or goblin cards that said: "attack if able" (meaning: will attack even if the the controller did not wanted him to attack)
This concept fits the "races" section the general race discussions saying: orcs are hard to control and like to disorder.

So i thought of a unit (it will be an upgrade i guess) that is pretty cheap (even 1 turns) but you can not control it completely, eg: goes to attack by itself by an AI logic.

version a):
- cheap 1 turn
- relatively strong (like the orc warrior)
- but player can not control it, can not move it, and cannot attack with it (the unit constantly disordering)
- it will move forward enemy (AI controls it instead of you)
- and will attack by itself
- player can not even say "stand down" or "delete" to him
- however it is still the player's unit so it can occupy buildings for him.
- maybe he has only 2 movement (not to be op)

version b): light version
- it will not move by itself, player can move it
- but player can not say "stand down" to him or "delete" to him
- he will attack to enemy units always if he still have ability to attack (so he will attack even if player does not want to)
- this is not a big drawback so this sould not be a 1 turn cost unit, but maybe somewhat different to orc warrior.
- can have 3 movement too.

what do u think?

Idea one.

Patroid

i also like the first version

Idea one, but maybe also for other races?

for other races - what do u mean?

i totally missed that one

this sounds interesting

I can make an image for that.

I was thinking 2 things about this idea:

1) What about merging it with the idea we discussed in the email of random types of orc units?

We can make some variants of this units with different stats (one with more attack, another slower and armored, another one weaker with 2 attacks and faster) so it will also be less strong since you can't control which kind of unit you obtain

2) About no control is a great idea but the real problem here would be that this units can enter your buildings. It would be important to make for them a rule that won't allow them to enter a building if there is only a space less otherwise they will just be a downside for the army

Unfortunately this is going to have to wait until the waypoint bug is fixed. As it is, we can still control green dragons, so I'm guessing this would be no different.

Yeah, that would have to be fixed at the same time.

We might just use the randomized orcs as a different idea

the bulding entering is solved already - no AI will enter.(this has ai too)
waypoint: that can easily be fixed.

Another feature could be
Splash damge or healing or High morale to wolf raider(Wargs and Wolf Raider are siad to be the orcs best friends.

Initially Warg rider was meant to give double attack but we changed it later since Daniel tought it was too powerful

Yeah. Master wolf rider is already very strong.

Yes. That was a proposal made when the warg rider had only a level

Need to revive topic since uncontrollable logic is fixed.

Insane orcs are confirmed.

Be warned since they are completely insane and completely uncontrollable!
Those warriors are perfect example of true orcish fighting style — "ORC STUPID, ORC POWERFUL, ORC SMASH!" due to exceptional amount of attack that when maxed rivals even olog hais.

Now to actual stats:

Insane orc:
Trainable everywhere where 2h orc warrior is trained
Cost — 3 turns
Hp — 44/50/56
Attack — 75/100/125
Range — 1
Armor — 0/0 (no armor increase via tiers)
Speed — 4
Sight — 4
Spell resist — 0

Bonuses — none

Specifications:
Uncontrollable
ATTACK_COUNTER_QUARTERED
First strike

This. IS. SPARTAAAAAAAAAA!!!!