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Unit description : The Grivpanvar (literally: neck-guard wearer) were an elite late Parthian and Sasanian division who fought as heavy cataphract cavalry. Best used against enemy horse riders.

Weapons and tactics used by the Grivpanvars were analogous to those of cataphract cavalry. Clad in chain mail with a breastplate and strong scale armour, they were armed with the famed Kontos lance used by many Iranian peoples during antiquity. To supplement their lances, it is possible that the Grivpanvar also carried armaments for use at close quarters such as long swords and maces.Their military tactics were also similar to the cataphracts and used “shock tactics” to wear down the enemy with successive cavalry charges prior to the administration of the final coup de grâce.
Stats:
Categories :
Heavy cavalry,Camel rider,Anti-mounted
Cost: 7
Trained at : Stables
Hitpoints : 37
Attack : 9
Speed : 4
Armor : 5/2
Sight : 4
Spell resist : 75%
Heal bonus: 1.0
Active effects : Camel fear
Bonuses :
+40% vs melee foot, ranged, siege
+60% vs heavy cavalry
+125% vs heavy melee.

The unit sprite.

so, this would be a cataphract style camel ride right?

If so, it should be more similar to cataphract.
And I am not sure we really need another anti-cavalry unit (proposed stats would make him better anti-mounted than mameluks).
My proposition - another shield knight version, but with anti-heavy infantry spec and of course - camel aura.

sounds powerful hmm...

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:06 pm My proposition - another shield knight version, but with anti-heavy infantry spec and of course - camel aura.

Should I keep the current bonuses or replace it with anti-heavy infantry ?
So make the armor 2/6 ?

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:41 am

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:06 pm My proposition - another shield knight version, but with anti-heavy infantry spec and of course - camel aura.

Should I keep the current bonuses or replace it with anti-heavy infantry ?
So make the armor 2/6 ?

2/6?
if its gonna be like cataphract, then 6/3 should be ok right?

If I remember shield knight is 2/6 , I'll change it to 6/2 and buff the hp to match stats with cataphract.

There should be a tech to provide camel cavalry eg. Camelry tech
Or else they'd be too common in stables or a new production factory to train them.

Horse cavalry should have decreased movement on sand terrain while camel cavalry should have boosts imho. Horses were bad in that kind of terrain .

mmh, just drop the speed on desert terrain and maybe the attack too, camel shouldnt rise them

Yeah drop speed by -1 horses were easily exhausted, dehydrated and not suited in that kind of terrain.

Ok, any agreement between stats ?

About sprite, should I make the camel mount more armoured ?
On sources some are front armored and some are completely enclosed .

Does anyone think its overpowered?
Im a beginner at balancing units so I couldn't confirm it .

its a 6 turns unit...

L4cus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:49 pm its a 6 turns unit...

Dude look again

I think armor is too high so I'll change it .

well i think unlike mamluke he could use a mace to attack causing bonus damage to heavy troops, having only 1 range and having 5 camel fear range instead of 4.

Thanks to camel fear along with armor values current stats would make this unit practically immune vs any cavalry, while dealing them tremendous 36 power attack.
That's twice of mameluk, with better defense, being only 40% costier.

Unit should either be good at defense or offence.
My proposition is clear - let it be more resilent than mameluk, but with worse offense and anti-heavy spec.
E.g. 37hp, armor should be ok, power should be ok.
1.0 bonus healing and bonuses changed to:
+40% vs melee foot, ranged, siege, +60% vs heavy cavalry, +125% vs heavy melee.

Updated

I agree to

More armor added on the mount.

Some changes and Fixes .

iis it my imagination or the camel has red eyes?

No,me too,i see red eyes.

No colored eyes Allowed I guess

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:15 am Some changes and Fixes .

Heaby camel riderrr.png

Its team color.
Is it really a big deal? I'll change it .

we have to make it as historical as ever cause we are HISTORIANS!! HAROO!! FOR HISTORY!!

I made the armor completely enclosed .
It seems the first one I made fits and looks the most nice.
The current one I made looks horrible, too much armor.

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:08 am More armor added on the mount.
Heaby camel riderrr.png

this one looks better

I'll improve the Camel Cataphract's image. Currently it looks messy in mount armor.