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I see that flail soldier is easily killed by mere archers, slingers and knights, maybe an upgrade making it more resilient? It has no armor of some sort so this would fit as elite or armoured flail soldier. Increased hp and armor by having improved equipment provided by the military.
Tech cost: 6
Researched in barracks
Orig stats and upgraded:
Hp: 16 (18)
Att: 15 (16)
Armor: 0/0 (1/1)
Spd: 3
Sight: 4
Ms: 0%
Bonuses:
30% Shield bearer
34% Heavy foot melee
60% Heavy cavalry, Big shield bearer, Siege machine armoured

By pass armor

I still think it Is a good idea to add this upgrade.

Missed it first time. Yes, me too - definitely needs an upgrade. Don't think I've ever seen one in MP. It's high attack makes it an obvious target for missiles, and combined with it's low defence means it has pretty much zero chance of surviving till next go.

I make flailmen before it's just that they die very easily. So I don't really use them anymore. Maceman a similar unit is more resilient.

Armoured flailman tech icon.

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pm Armoured flailman tech icon.

You really know to make pixel art,now,is just wait endru opnion

Morningwarrior wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:21 pm

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pm Armoured flailman tech icon.

You really know to make pixel art,now,is just wait endru opnion

Thanks.

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pm Armoured flailman tech icon.

This looks great quaddy

Hyuhjhih wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:11 pm

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pm Armoured flailman tech icon.

This looks great quaddy

Thanks. It was rafher easy though, I just drew a ball with spikes then added the stick with chains. Then comes the shadows.

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:21 pm

Hyuhjhih wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:11 pm

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pm Armoured flailman tech icon.

This looks great quaddy

Thanks. It was rafher easy though, I just drew a ball with spikes then added the stick with chains. Then comes the shadows.

Were you learn to do this?

Well what to say 50% gift 50% experience

This is 100% Experience, lol. When I first joined in April my art was awful.
Anyways, let's not go too off-topic. What do you think @Endru1241? Any chance of implementation?

A chance to give new balls to flailmen?
They have to get it themselves.

But seriously flailman deserves an upgrade and the image fits, so I don't see a reason why not.
Maybe I'll tweak stats a little.

Endru1241 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:06 am A chance to give new balls to flailmen?
They have to get it themselves.

But seriously flailman deserves an upgrade and the image fits, so I don't see a reason why not.
Maybe I'll tweak stats a little.

Haha, good one. But that gave me the idea of giving their flails a second ball. I've seen flails with three balls. Used by knights.

I seriously doubt they were ever used in military. Even single head is very difficult to master and can pose a danger to user. Two or three heads would be totally unpredictable.
As there is no much historical evidence of flail widespread military use, I'd say two or more headed versions are probably forgeries/work of fiction.

No it exist. I have heard about two headed flails on each end of chain thats a 4 in total. Not fiction but can be rarely found used by someone. And also about 2 headed flail. Never heard of 3 headed though.

I only saw the 3 headed flail on google. Probably a work of fiction.
It looks deadly tho, for both the user and the user's target.

QuadrupoleStrat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 am I only saw the 3 headed flail on google. Probably a work of fiction.
It looks deadly tho, for both the user and the user's target.

at the internt I saw a guy who found a flail when he built his house, he sold it to the museum and won 10,000.

But dont worry about,3 heads is fiction is not easy to be manuseable.

Yes, they deserve it. Even Sp. Hoplite (who supposed to be their counter target) can single hit them, meanwhile maceman survive 1 blow.

Aral_Yaren wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:11 am Yes, they deserve it. Even Sp. Hoplite (who supposed to be their counter target) can single hit them, meanwhile maceman survive 1 blow.

and he gains 1/1 of armor to reinforce his resistance

Anything happening with this idea? I hope so.

Looking at the OP tho I got to suggest, compare maceman -> elite maceman or zweihander -> heavy Z, either the cost of the upgrade needs to come down or the benefits of the upgrade need to increase.

If cost 6, how about hp -> 20, attack -> 16, armour -> 1/2?

this unit is practically useless, so ur stats are good i think

Wat is h.maceman stat?

Macemen
20hp, 12 attack, 0/0 armor -> 25hp, 14attack, 1/0 armor
medium foot melee category,
+75% vs structures, +100% vs heavy melee, +150% vs fortifications and siege machines, +250% vs armored siege

Flailmen
16hp, 15 attack, 0/0 armor, ignores armor, light foot melee category
+20% vs shielded, +34% vs heavy melee and siege, +60% vs heavy cavalry, big shield wielders, armored siege

Making upgraded one have 1/2 armor is too much.
Even 1/1 is a stretch, considering the need to have lighter armor (using flail requires much more mobility of hands) and the fact, that most melee infantry have 0 p.armor.
It was accepted because of lower hp gain.

How about just make the upgrade to give

+6hp
+1 p.armor
+1 atk

Should be barely OK.

Ranged nerf will make light and medium melee life easier.

Yeah really looking forward on how the battlefield would ghange once that nerf is out.

About this upgrade, i think we could just wait for rhe nerf first to get an easier approach on how will we make the flail soldier viable but for now Id like the upgrade as

+6hp
+1p.armor
+1attack

The p.armor makes it a good counter part for the maceman upgrades +1 armor making this flail soldier upgrade to more look like more vulnerable in combat but with great offensive capabilities and in exchange have slightly better p.armor for additional protection

But idk maybe thats just my opinion