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Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:15 am
by Huttensohn
The blue dragon that is used in quite some scenarios hits himself with his own fireball spell. Technically, it's the same spell than that of the mage but with lower range.
I don't think a unit should self-hit itself with an ability every time.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:31 pm
by Alexander82
Do you mean the one used only in map editor or the one available for multiplayer and random games?
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:58 am
by makazuwr32
He means old one, for campains only.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:37 am
by Huttensohn
I mean the old one, used for campaigns and scenarios.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:33 am
by Anchar
By the way, the imperial rider on the drake sets fire and gives fireball damage to human aircraft (those that are in 5 turns)
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:49 am
by Huttensohn
I have kind of more understanding of friendly fire of long range fireballs. In dnd, its similar. But of course, it would be easier to handle without.
I just hope the self hit is a bug and not a feature.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:52 am
by Midonik
Anchar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:33 am
By the way, the imperial rider on the drake sets fire and gives fireball damage to human aircraft (those that are in 5 turns)
Does he have 3 range on that ability, that also has 2 aoe? If you drag it as far as possible and keep the area of two tiles around the tile you drag it to there shouldn't be any friendly fire.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:03 pm
by Huttensohn
Yes, range 3, aoe2
The blue dragon however has range one for his fireball.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:58 pm
by makazuwr32
Oh. He than just need higher spell range.
Maybe 2 or even 3 spell range..
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:51 pm
by Huttensohn
That would be awesome. Three is required for him not to hit himself.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:35 pm
by Alexander82
Huttensohn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:49 am
I have kind of more understanding of friendly fire of long range fireballs. In dnd, its similar. But of course, it would be easier to handle without.
I just hope the self hit is a bug and not a feature.
Yes, it is a bug. We need to add 1 casting range to the dragon
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:22 pm
by Huttensohn
But if it has range 1 and aoe2, it needs range 3, right?
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:38 am
by Alexander82
Can you post a screen of how far the fireball can move from the unit?
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:02 pm
by makazuwr32
Right now it has 1 range (melee range). Blue dragon needs at least +2 spell range (better to give it +3) in order to make its breath far from unit.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:45 pm
by Huttensohn
I can't attach the screenshots here. email?
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:37 pm
by Alexander82
makazuwr32 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:02 pm
Right now it has 1 range (melee range). Blue dragon needs at least +2 spell range (better to give it +3) in order to make its breath far from unit.
I would prefer more a lower range that force the unit to have the breath adjacent to its tile.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:59 pm
by makazuwr32
I must remind, alex, that this is map editor blue dragon, not producable in breeding keep blue dragon.
And thus this doesn't matter that much for it.
Anyway +2 spell range will make it as you want (just barely out of hitting range).
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:01 pm
by Huttensohn
I think it would be thematic this way. Aoe 2, without self hit and range one or two. In dnd 4 there are blasts, aoes that only face one direction, like a 3*3 area in front of the caster.
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:02 pm
by Huttensohn
doesn't it need a range of 3 if the aoe is 2 to avoid the self hit?
Re: Blue dragon hits itself with fireball
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:07 pm
by makazuwr32
Spell of that dragon itself has range +1 (base) so we need only add +2 for that effect.